Live Blogging: Chapter 8 Fishbowl
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(1) Please reference by name to whom you are responding. Ex: I agree with Clay's comment about Gatsby's childlike approach to love, but I think we need to give Gatsby more credit because he is the only character in this novel who stays true to his love.
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(1) Please reference by name to whom you are responding. Ex: I agree with Clay's comment about Gatsby's childlike approach to love, but I think we need to give Gatsby more credit because he is the only character in this novel who stays true to his love.
(2) Please use correct punctuation and spelling (as always).
(3) Hit the F5 key to refresh. You will need to do this continually in order to see everyone's comments.
(4) Try to find a balance between listening to the inner circle and having your own blogging discussion on the outer circle. Please don't abandon the inner circle altogether.
posted by Kristin L | 7:50 AM
53 Comments:
Yeah! Let's roll!
Since no one else is saying anything, I'd like to mention that Dan Huh's shirt is awesome!
I agree very much with Spencer's first comment. This is an excellent analysis and really demonstrates the core ideas of the novel.
I think Spencer's second comment is over reaching.
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no daisy is to materialistic and blind to ever love any one. she got bored with gatsby when he was gone for a while, and love would wait. she only married tom because he offered her security.
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I think that Daisy is truly in love with money. She is capable of loving only certain people. She has had love for both Gatsby and Tom, but they are two completely different kinds of love. Like Spencer stated earlier, love can never be measured, there are only different kinds of love.
I think that Daisy loved both Tom and Gatsby for some period of time, but I also think that she was to selfish to carry on a lasting relationship. (a healthy one anyways)
I agree Megan, Daisy is just to full of herself.
I agree with spense that there are different types of love but i also think that, at least to some degree, love can be measured.
i agree with sarah d for sure! I think that Daisy's only love is money, and that she will "love" anyone as long as they have enough money to support her.
but how can love be measured?
Sorry, I agree WITH Megan, just for clarification.
I agree with Sarah's comment about the two different kinds of love. It seems that Daisy is almost selfishly in love with Gatsby, she loves who he was, but really doesn't know enough about him now. When it comes to Tom, it seems that she loves him on a more thoughtful and intimate level, especially in the example of when they are talking over the cold food.
"There was an unmistakable air of natural intimacy about the picture, and anybody would have said that they were conspiring together "(Fitzgerald 145).
Well i mean if you love someone, we'll say for example in a boyfriend/girlfreind type of love, you might love eachother at first but the more you get to know each other and the more really understand eachother, your love grows. So your love is greater than when you first met.
I think that Daisy is like Tom becuase she wants to be in control, and when she loses that control, she panics. This is like when Gatsby and Tom were argueing, Daisy was no longer in control of the sitution and broke down. Basically, I think that Daisy is more concerned with being in control than being selfish.
I dont think that the cars neccessairly represent anything, but more the places that they go to.
I agree with Jordan rather than Jessica. Behind the foolish immaturity of Gatsby's and Tom's competition, Daisy has a deep affection for Gatsby... and his smile.
I don't think that love can be measured, but I agree with Jordan, love can grow, but it is an immeasurable love, and that the growth can't be measured either.
I definitely agree with Jordan H, because i think that love can definitely be measured. I think that you love your friends in one way, your family another way, and then your "significant other" in a different way. But i think that if you've been dating someone for a week then there is no way that you can love them as much as if you had been dating someone, or been married to someone, for a long time.
I agree with chris b. The cars really dont symbolize or represent anything out of the ordinary
I agree with Mackenzie, but I think that Daisy isn't really concerned with being in control, because she doesn't realize she has all the power she has. When Tom and Gatsby were fighting she loses the control, and that's when she really realizes her urge to be in control.
Everything that Daisy represents is at the wheel of Gatsby's life. His dream is out of his control.
I do agree with Milt... kind of. All of your examples are different kinds of love, but each is not able to be measured.
I disagree with Emily. i think that she did care about that affair, but didnt belive in herself enough to truyl do anythingt about it.
I agree with Jordan H and Milt in one way, but I don't really think that there is any way to measure love. There are differnt kinds of love, but the only people who can measure love are the people who share the love
Unlike Milton, I firmly believe that love cannot be measured. I do think it grows over time, but it is certainly not measurable.
I disagree that Daisy wants Tom to "come back to her" in Emily's words, I rather feel that she likes the lifestyle and the affection that Tom gives her.
I AGREE WITH MICHAEL!...KIND OF THERE ARE DIFFERNT KINDS OF AFFARIS BUT I THINK THAT THE PHYSICAL ONES CAUSE MUCH MORE CONFLICT THAN THE INTERNAL ONES
Each love can be measured. Time increases all loves. Therefore the amount of love that one has for another is always growing and can always be compared and measured to the love they felt at the beginning of the relationship.
This is Christine by the way blogging on Milts
Question for Jordan and Chris... if you don't think the cars represent anything then why do you think Fitzgerald had them switch cars?
In my mind, Gatsby said he would take the blame to furher add to his romanticized version of his love for Daisy. But the fact that no one even stopped reflects the immaturity and nonchalance with which they treat other people, adding to Nick's disgust.
This is Mr. Huh . . .
And Thank you Spencer
I must disagreee with Michael. Blind love virtually does not exist. I believe a human being understands the situation they are in but rather chooses to ignore the fact they are in trouble.
I must say Daisy does not show physical emotion but portrays a jealous fiend that chooses to take decisions on her own.
"Daisy is a Rock." Chris B
Relating both the love thought and the affair thought, both can't be measured. I agree with Chris since DIFFERENT affairs cause different kinds of conflicts. Just like different kinds of loves, cause different relationships.
They switched cars because they wanted to check out the features on both
Just to add another agreement, I do belive that love is immeasurable, except for the person 'in love.' It's a personal thing only for one person to judge, not society like in this novel.
TO MILT
I think he had them switch cars to empasize the confusion in all their lives and with all the affairs going on, it was just emphasis on how skewed things are.
Love grows, yes, but to say it is measurable is to detract from it its mystery and wonder.
spencer, I don't really understand what you mean when you say that love is not measurable. Are you saying that loving your family and loving your girlfriend/boyfriend are the same kind of love? Can you explain?
sorry, my previous comment should have said TO CHRISTINE
So, what is the difference between measuring love and catagorizing it?
I agree with Spencer's comment on the symbolism of her heart and her mouth.
love cant be mesaured on a scale, BUT it be catagorzied by saying "The way i love my dog is in no way equivelant to how i love spencer"
thats catagorizing
Love has, is, and always will be one of the greatest mysteries of life. Im not saying that it is not. Im simply saying that love grows and like anything else that grows, it can be measured. Love changes all the time. You cannot physically take a ruler to love but mentally you can measure the distance a relationship has come.
I agree with spencer that the heart of Myrtle was exposed and that her mouth, the lying part of her body, is ripped. It was a very dramatic and representative part of the story that Fitzgerald did a good job of displaying.
Why are we focusing so much on love? The whole point of the novel is that these people are too hollow to love. There is no love relationship in the story that is true and faithful on the part of both participants. The society does not have the capacity for real love.
I don't know if love can be catargorized, but it can be different.
To emily prado (this is christine!!!!)
I agree with Spencer that love is not measurable. You gave the example of love for your boyfriend/girlfriend and love for family. Both of these can not be measured, however they are different kinds of love. One is love because it is instict, you are born loving youor family because they created you. The other is love that grows, like said earlier.
The novel criticises the warped ideas of live that reside in peoples minds. Love is mysterious and therefore is misunderstood.
i meant warped ideas of love
I disagree with Spencer when he said that all Daisy wants is to be loved. I truly believe that Daisy's intentions are more the satisfaction of the moment, and the satisfaction of knowing that people idle her like Shannon said. I dont know if it is possible for Daisy to love anyone because she is so veiled with the superficial money hungry society, therefore, I dont think that she wants the love of another person. Is is possible to want someone to love you, but not be capable of loving in the first place?
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