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Thursday, September 14, 2006

Individual Villainy

"When one rises above the individual villainy displayed, one can only pity them all, just as we shall be pitied someday. It is still impossible for man to organize his social life without repressions, and the balance has yet to be struck between order and freedom" (Miller 7).

Do you, like Miller, pity the people of late 17th century Salem? Do you think that we will be pitied one day? Do agree that repression is an inherent part of organized social life?

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Blogger Milt G said...

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10:12 AM  
Blogger Chris B said...

I do pity the people of the late 17th century, those that were accused and those doing the accusing. Not only were they terribly wrong in their belief of Witches causing illness, but they also did not have the medical advances we have now to successfully diagnose people to find what was truly wrong with them. Had they known what they were doing was entirely wrong and unjust, many lives would be saved and less would have been ruined. For those reasons I do pity the people of Salem. As for us, yes, I think one day people will look back and pity a decision that we made. Has that decision happened yet? Who knows, possibly, or it could happen in 20 yrs. In history, it seems as if no matter what century, empire, or kingdom you look at, there is always something that you pity them for. We, in our modern civilization, are not exempt from other civilizations, and that is why one day, we will be pitied.

10:13 AM  
Blogger Jennifer W said...

I do and don't pity the people of Salem. I do because they made up a completely rediculous excuse for the sickness, when, a little research probably could've proven an accurate enough reason for why this was happening. The accusations of witches was very irrelevant to the times and if they had paid attention to what they were doing, they would have realized this too. I also do not pity them in the sense that they were feeling confused and didn't know what else to do. They felt the need to put the blame on people instead of things such as plants, disease, and animals that may have tracked in the disease.

I do think we will be pitied some day because everyone in history is pitied for some reason or another. Whether it be big or small, they will find some reason to pity us.

I do agree that repression is an inherent part of organized life because its dealing with feelings and other things that never go away.

10:14 AM  
Blogger Lauren F. said...

I do pity the people of the Salem witch trials because there was no proof used to condemn them to death. There were no doctors in these cases with medical devices to decide this. It was more of pointless questioning and t hen were either put to death or locked up in prison until their death. I don't think that we will all be pitied one day because there is nothing at this point that we can be pitied for. There are certain individuals that could possibly be pitied because of their heroic efforts that took place throughout their life. I do agree that repression is an inherent part of organized social life because at one point cruelty is present in everyone and there is always someone that carries the guilt on their shoulders for the things that happen.

10:14 AM  
Blogger Megan D said...

I pity the people in Salem in some sense; I think that it is sad that the people resorted to thinking that there were witches in the community, and that they couldn't come up with a better explanation. I think that is was very unfair for the people who were accused just because they were an easy target for this theory of the Puritan people. They didn't believe the same things, or they didn’t have a high status in the society, such as slaves or women. The worst part is that innocent people were killed. Maybe someday people will look back on our society and pity us, but I don’t know what they will say, we will only know when that time comes.

10:15 AM  
Blogger Natalie M said...

yes i do pity the people of Salem, for many reasons, first i think that their knowledge, was vey limited. one example being medical knowledge. if the doctors had been more knowledgeable aobut the girl's sickness then they would not have said that "the only way to explain the sickness was witchcraft". I also think that people of that time period, especially in the small village of Salem, had very limited points of view. they did not know any other religion, other than theirs and witchcraft. they did not embrace anything in the unknown and it putthen in a disadvantaged position. i do think that people a thousand years from now will pity us and say "wow they didn't know anything compared to what we know now!" that is just how it will be as mankind keeps making discoveries and broadening their scope of knowledge

10:15 AM  
Blogger ryan f said...

Like Miller, I also pity those involved in the Salem witch trails. The situation seems almost like the one that caused the early Americans to leave England. They left for freedom of religion and the opportunity to do and worship what they choose. By killing or imprisoning those who were involved in witchcraft, it is going against everything that the pilgrims’ left England for. I think that someday we may be pitied as individuals, but most likely, because of the rules and regulations set up by the government, no large group like this will ever be pitied due to an American injustice; but possibly for an attack by outsiders like 9/11. Repression to a certain degree, I believe is part of a society. For things to run smoothly there must be some sort of organization, but not complete oppression.

10:15 AM  
Blogger Spencer Z said...

I do pity the characters in The Crucible for they are unable to realize the ignorance and madness of their actions. I believe that the pendulum of societal repression swings back and forth such that there are certain times of great injustice. if not legally then at the very leasy idealogically. Whether or not now is one of those times relative to the future, I am unsure; what I do know is hindsight is 20/20 and people will make their own decisions about our society just as we have done with the community in Salem.
Repression is only a part of social life for those who do not have a strong enough will to stand up for their beliefs. One need look no further than this high school to observe it. People are so afraid of what others might say that they are not themselves and live with repression and bottled up insecurity just as I suspect may of those living in Salem did.

10:15 AM  
Blogger ryan f said...

Like Miller, I also pity those involved in the Salem witch trails. The situation seems almost like the one that caused the early Americans to leave England. They left for freedom of religion and the opportunity to do and worship what they choose. By killing or imprisoning those who were involved in witchcraft, it is going against everything that the pilgrims’ left England for. I think that someday we may be pitied as individuals, but most likely, because of the rules and regulations set up by the government, no large group like this will ever be pitied due to an American injustice; but possibly for an attack by outsiders like 9/11. Repression to a certain degree, I believe is part of a society. For things to run smoothly there must be some sort of organization, but not complete oppression.

10:15 AM  
Blogger Spencer Z said...

I do pity the characters in The Crucible for they are unable to realize the ignorance and madness of their actions. I believe that the pendulum of societal repression swings back and forth such that there are certain times of great injustice. if not legally then at the very leasy idealogically. Whether or not now is one of those times relative to the future, I am unsure; what I do know is hindsight is 20/20 and people will make their own decisions about our society just as we have done with the community in Salem.
Repression is only a part of social life for those who do not have a strong enough will to stand up for their beliefs. One need look no further than this high school to observe it. People are so afraid of what others might say that they are not themselves and live with repression and bottled up insecurity just as I suspect may of those living in Salem did.

10:15 AM  
Blogger erinl said...

At times, yes, I do pity the people of Salem because they seemed to be so naive. Because they were Puritans, they all believed in the same thing, but they didn't have diversity. It seems they accused anyone that wasn't a Puritan to the fullest. These people did not like diversity. Yes, I think and sometimes hope we will be pitied someday because our world today is very different from what it was three hundred years ago. For instance, we care about our body image more than anything; we are sucked into the world of cyberspace and we have to be constantly occupied with TV, MySpace, etc. I hope that in the future the world will be a better place, peaceful, and happy. I agree and disagree with the idea that repression is a part of organized life. I agree because everyone tries to make themselves feel better and that may include making others feel bad about themselves. I disagree because I am sure that if people tried harder, their would be no natural cruelty. But, that is not the world we live in today.

10:16 AM  
Blogger mackenzieL said...

I pity the people of Salem. I pity the people that were condemned in innocence and the people who did the "condemning". I also pity the people that were consumed by what was taking place in their town and how they expanded on the events that occurred and used them to their own advantage. I think people that live now will also be pitied someday for appearing incredibly naive in things like decisions, society, and government. I agree that repression is an inherent part of organized social life because people keep other people "in line", and when repression is totally ignored, people go totally free, which makes everything get out of control. (Remember the Sixties.)

10:17 AM  
Blogger J Hunt said...

I would not go so far as to say that I pity the people of the 17th century. They knew less about the world they lived in than we do now. But at the same time, they knew more about it then people centuries before them. Every generation will learn new things about the world that they live in. In the 17th century, they had a sort of paranoia, but this was understandable because they didn’t know what lay beyond the forest boundaries that they had stayed within their entire lives. The idea of an entire country, with vast expanses of desert, ice, and water, was beyond them. They had a sense of individual villainy because of this paranoia. I don’t think that they pitied themselves any more than we pity ourselves, and I don’t think that they would want us to pity them. Everyone in our society would say that we are 150% more advanced than they were back then, and that we as a people do not pity ourselves for our accomplishments. In the future years, people will learn more about our universe than we know now and if given enough time, what we know now will seem like so little. People in the future may feel the same way about us as we do about people of the 17th century but I certainly would not want them to pity us because what we know and what we have accomplished so far is worth honor, not pity. So no, I do not pity the people of the past any more than I pity our present society.

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